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he did attack the romney/ryan ticket, but wasn't really able to take any credit for any achievements because there haven't been any. on the libyan situation, he was really embarrassing because he contradicted not just the department of state, but he really threw the intelligence community under the bus using them as a defense for what has been a coverup of a terrorist attack on 9/11. >> julian, do you want to get in here? >> yeah, let me respond. first of all, i think that the polls have moved a little bit in places like florida, not substantially enough in ohio, pennsylvania, michigan. secondly, i think -- >> in ohio, it's one point difference. >> excuse me, bor. why obama ought to get four years. when obama came into office, we were losing 700,000 jobs a month. we're now gaining somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000. gdp was at negative 9, we're close to positive 2. that's an 11 point positive swing. about a million positive swing in jobs per month since he took office. on foreign affair, bin laden is gone, troops are coming out of iraq, troops are coming out of afghanistan. gadhaf
he did attack the romney/ryan ticket, but wasn't really able to take any credit for any achievements because there haven't been any. on the libyan situation, he was really embarrassing because he contradicted not just the department of state, but he really threw the intelligence community under the bus using them as a defense for what has been a coverup of a terrorist attack on 9/11. >> julian, do you want to get in here? >> yeah, let me respond. first of all, i think that the polls...
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congressman ryan and vice president biden, just like president obama and governor romney, have really, there's really stark differences in this campaign about what's going to go forward. if you just watch the republican convention and the democratic conventi convention, there's very different views of the future of the country so how that gets discussed will depend a lot on all three players on the stage, but i think the main thing is there are stark differences going forward and congressman ryan i think is obviously a very smart person, 14 years as a member of congress, i think probably the leading spokesperson for the republican party on budget and economic issues, he spent a lot of time in congress and one thing he learned in congress is how to debate. you debate in the committees, you debate on the floor, so he's going to be a formidable challenge and i think he and vice president biden have enough differences and reflect the differences of the campaign that it will be a very i think substantive debate, i think it will be a very fun debate though. >> ted, i was surprised at the fi
congressman ryan and vice president biden, just like president obama and governor romney, have really, there's really stark differences in this campaign about what's going to go forward. if you just watch the republican convention and the democratic conventi convention, there's very different views of the future of the country so how that gets discussed will depend a lot on all three players on the stage, but i think the main thing is there are stark differences going forward and congressman...
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has gained. >> well, melissa, undoubtedly, as we all know, the momentum has gone with the romney-ryan camp. sure. you look at both of these gentlemen, they've both been in the political cal scescene for time. most of us have already formed an opinion of vice president biden. four years working with president obama. two presidential campaigns and 40 years in washington. i think we have an understanding of who joe biden is and what he stands for. on the other side of the equation, i'm personally excited to see congressman ryan tonight. he's a smart guy. he's in command of details. i am very hopeful that he will be able to carry forth the momentum that the romney campaign got out of the first presidential debate. >> how do you think he should play that? because the lead article in the "washington post" today notes how -- an emphasis in tone governor romney is tracking to the center for obvious reasons as we get closer to the vote. do you think ryan should do the same or double down on his conservative heritage for what that could do to get the vote out on the gop side? >> simon, i think
has gained. >> well, melissa, undoubtedly, as we all know, the momentum has gone with the romney-ryan camp. sure. you look at both of these gentlemen, they've both been in the political cal scescene for time. most of us have already formed an opinion of vice president biden. four years working with president obama. two presidential campaigns and 40 years in washington. i think we have an understanding of who joe biden is and what he stands for. on the other side of the equation, i'm...
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and ryan are doing at them. and that tees it up for the debate at hofstra last week. >> and i even likened to like the world cup, remember you got the two teams in the finals and then the guys they beat they play in that game for -- i mean, this was interesting, but it just sets up the next debate to see how the president comes back. >> tuesday night. so this comes very quickly. >> and i watched intrade, it moved up a little. and then all the way back to where it started. >> it's exactly the way the reds are set up for the next round of the playoffs. >> you know, john, here's the thing. they did lose three straight, i'll and i had plit thdmit that. but after spotting them six runs on that grand slam, they battled back. and in the sixth, seventh, eighth and ninth, they had the tying run at home every inning. one inning they had a man on first and second, no outs, the count 3-2, a bad call, they threw the guy out at third. we can't talk -- anyway, i'm not going to obsess over this. >> pain. >> did you catch the ja
and ryan are doing at them. and that tees it up for the debate at hofstra last week. >> and i even likened to like the world cup, remember you got the two teams in the finals and then the guys they beat they play in that game for -- i mean, this was interesting, but it just sets up the next debate to see how the president comes back. >> tuesday night. so this comes very quickly. >> and i watched intrade, it moved up a little. and then all the way back to where it started....
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and, of course, the romney campaign emphasizing that paul ryan is a guy who hasn't had a debate, maybe since high school. so he's debating against joe biden. >> debated -- we've tried to debate ryan here and we've seen him debate with other people, and he's -- i don't know. >> eamon, what about ohio, though? we've talked with chuck todd about this. he sees a way to win without ohio. but basically have to win eight or nine other states. so it's a much more complicated road to the white house if you don't win ohio. so he had said -- he told us a week or two ago that romney would have to make a decision as to whether the pull out of ohio and go for the other states. >> on a couple of polls. >> yeah, it's off the table at this point. >> that's got to be off the table right now. ohio is the linchpin for everything in this campaign. that's why the president was there yesterday. you saw the president leading in o-h-i-o cheer. he needs the college kids to come through for him. he needs the urban cities in ohio to turn out with big, big numbers. otherwise this thing gets very tricky for the pre
and, of course, the romney campaign emphasizing that paul ryan is a guy who hasn't had a debate, maybe since high school. so he's debating against joe biden. >> debated -- we've tried to debate ryan here and we've seen him debate with other people, and he's -- i don't know. >> eamon, what about ohio, though? we've talked with chuck todd about this. he sees a way to win without ohio. but basically have to win eight or nine other states. so it's a much more complicated road to the...
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. >> -- governor romney changed his position in that debate radically. first of all he said he would sign the ryan budget which has a 20% tax cut across the board for everybody including the richest americans. number two he never explained and the president didn't call him on it how he'll account for that almost $5 trillion cut, plus the $2 trillion in military spending that they advocate which the defense department and the generals haven't even asked for. there's been no explanation of that and that's a pretty important issue. the president didn't do a good job framing that issue. there's no question. >> you're such a savvy politician. you're the best, and you know, if you lose a game and say well the other guy cheated that makes you look bad. there's no upside to that. you should be advising his people that's not the way to do this. >> and joe, one other thing i want to say, i think jim realized this, i was around for the, president reagan's first re-election debate, you recall he gave a terrible performance, he wandered in his closing, almost looked
. >> -- governor romney changed his position in that debate radically. first of all he said he would sign the ryan budget which has a 20% tax cut across the board for everybody including the richest americans. number two he never explained and the president didn't call him on it how he'll account for that almost $5 trillion cut, plus the $2 trillion in military spending that they advocate which the defense department and the generals haven't even asked for. there's been no explanation of...